Crusing the big wide world of the internet i found this

Is there any info anywhere on this.
One of the comments on the photos
"111077 Mottingham W728811
A view of the bogie Presflow wagons at Mottingham after the derailment. Not sure whether the MGR train was involved or if it's being used to balance the derailment."

Looking at the rail laid in the 6ft I am wondering if the MGR train has hit it and dislodged it causing the derailment to the Presflo's?
Or is it that the rail was moved by the derailed train causing the MGR brakes to apply?
Or that the driver saw the derailment and brought his train to a stop?

Thoughts?

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Bryan

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http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Uk/uk.railway/2007-02/msg06998.html

"While catch points were necessary with unfitted freights they did add other risks. In 1977 a fitted coal train stopped suddenly with a brake fault on the down line at Mottingham over catch points, and as the wagons rebounded one derailed and somehow got foul of the up line. A Northfleet to Dunstable cement train was approaching on the Up, collided with the derailed wagon, and went down the (fairly low) embankment. IIRC the Dartford Loop was blocked for about a week."


http://www.kentrail.org.uk/Bexley.htm

"This was not the Dartford Loop Line's first serious derailment; another had previously occurred on 11th October 1977 to the west of Mottingham station, when double-heading Class 33s hauling loaded cement wagons from Northfleet to Dunstable, collided with already derailed coal wagons of a freight on the ''down'' line. The leading locomotive, No. 33036, rolled down the embankment and due to the crash damage sustained, was prematurely withdrawn two years later. It was scrapped in October 1979 at Slade Green."


Another photo can be found at http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventimages.php?eventID=8961&imageID=1273

And yet another, with a brief description of the accident, at http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigertim1950/5993764534/

"33036 waiting to be taken away after rolling down the bank at Mottingham, into the back garden of 413 Sidcup road.
Whilst working the 03:24 Northfleet to Dunstable cement train, in multiple with 33043 on 11 October 1977 they hit an already derailed Welbeck to Northfleet coal train just outside of Mottingham station, causing both locos and 5 cement wagons to roll down the embankment."

Thanks for that

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Bryan

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